Announcements

NOTE: There will be no July meeting due to the holiday.

Next Club Meeting: Monday, August 5th, 7:00pm at Club field located on 146th Ave.

Meeting Minutes – August 5th, 2019

NOTE:  These minutes are preliminary and will not be final until approved by member vote at the next club meeting. Please notify the club secretary John Russcher, via email (planeaddicted@gmail.com) of any corrections and/or errors as soon as possible. 

 

Meeting called to order:

  • 7:10pm by Dave Jamrog

Secretary’s Report:

  • Minutes from last meeting were posted on TCAF Web page for review. No edits or errors were brought up by email or at this meeting.
  • The June meeting minutes were approved by member vote.

Treasurer’s Report:

  • Treasurer Dave Ver Hoef was absent so secretary John Russcher gave the treasures report.
  • The club expenditures and account balance was reviewed. This information can be found in the member’s only area of the club webpage or by contacting treasure Dave Ver Hoef.
  • Received money from combat entry fees and the donations from hot dogs before combat.
  • The 2nd half of the 2019 field lease was paid.
  • The treasures report was approved by member vote.

Safety Report/Field Maintenance:

  • Safety Officer George Keefe was not present but posted his second TCAF Safety Gram 002 on the web site.

Visitors:

  • Brad Batjes – Brad is a field of Kelly Ellerbroek and Tom Heetderks and is interested in joining the club.

 

Announcements and Upcoming Events:

  • Pot Luck and Fly is Wednesday August 7th at 6pm. Bring a dish to pass, tableware, chair and an airplane to fly afterwards. This is for members and your families.
  • Rust n’ Dust – Friday and Saturday, August 9th and 10th. This event is very important to the land owners on Taylor Street. Our participation in this event is very important! Please come out and participate! Help with the combat or buddy box events and fly your airplane during the open flying times. Any airplane, big or small, foam or balsa is entertaining to the community!
    • Thursday night is setup. We will be starting at 6:30. Come out and help if you are able.
    • Friday we have open flying 1pm – 4pm and buddy box flying 4pm -6:30pm.
    • Saturday we have combat starting at 12:30pm – 2pm, buddy box flying 2pm – 4pm and open flying 4pm – 6:30.
  • Streamer Combat – Wednesday the 14th. Combat is a great event to watch. We have had 30 to 40 spectators at each event. Bring out your family, neighbors and friends to enjoy a hot dog and be entertained by the combat. Hot dogs will be ready at 6pm, combat starts at 6:30.
  • For all planned events dates and times please refer to the Club calendar on our Web and Face Book pages.

Old Business:

  • Dave Jamrog had a conversation with Steve’s wife when she was mowing the field. She would like us to stay but Steve has not changed his mind. Dave meet with Steve on Saturday the 3rd and had a good talk about the driveway and gate. In the end Steve has NOT changed his mind about us leaving at the end of 2020.
  • Taylor street site. We will be getting together with the family to work of a lease for moving to their property. We will also explore any other spots on their property. We hope to have a rough lease outline at the September meeting.

New Business:

  • Next year we will have our current field and Taylor Street as an expense. If Taylor Street is ready do we want to leave our current field early or do we want to maintain and pay for both fields as a transition. We will discuss this at the September meet.  Please be in attendance so that your voice can be heard.

Comments and Questions:                                                                                  

  • (This was not talked about at the meeting but I wanted to include it for your information). Mowing schedule for Taylor Street is going well! If you would like to be added to the list we can use your help. Please contact John Russcher to be added to the rotation.

Next Meeting:

  • Monday, September 9th, 2019 at 7pm at the Club 146th Ave Field, bring an airplane to fly after the meeting!

Meeting Adjourned:

  • 7:44pm meeting adjourned.

Attendees:

  • Dave Jamrog, John Russcher, Scott Storteboom, Mike Tharp, Tom Heetderks, Mike VanAanhold, Bill Porter, Ray Weller, Steve Kastens, Tyler Kastens, Lucas Russcher, Ron Nienhuis, Garrett van der Duim, Mike Rose

TCAF SAFETY GRAM 002 – 2019

WHY WE MUST BE ALERT AND AWARE OF SURROUNDINS WHILE RC FLYING!

POSTED BY GEORGE KEEFE, TCAF SAFETY OFFICER

Flying Model Aircraft Comes Under Scrutiny After Fatal Accident in Brooklyn Park

By Matt Flegenheimer and Lisa W. Foderaro

  • Sept. 6, 2013

New York City is well acquainted with many of its hobbyists — the bird watchers of Central Park and the skateboarders of Union Square, the train buffs who ride the rails and the car-lovers who prefer to avoid them.

But this week, a fatal accident introduced many residents to another group for the first time: the relatively small but passionate band of remote-controlled-aircraft enthusiasts, who on Thursday lost one of their own, Roman Pirozek Jr., 19, after the model helicopter he was piloting in a Brooklyn park struck him in the head.

In a flash, the hobby was thrust into the spotlight, with practitioners fielding questions about its safety, seeking to thwart suggestions of a moratorium on flying and holding close to the pastime that has bound them together.

“When you love something so much,” said Matthew Mascialino, 42, who often flies models over Marine Park, “you fear that it could be taken away.”

Councilman Domenic M. Recchia Jr. of Brooklyn called on the city on Thursday to suspend helicopter flying in Calvert Vaux Park in Brooklyn, the popular patch where the accident occurred, “until we find out what exactly transpired.”

The city’s parks department said Friday that it would “be looking into all aspects of the accident to see if any changes are needed to ensure that this hobby can continue safely in our parks.” But helicopters and planes will continue to be allowed in designated areas, officials said, unless an investigation uncovers a reason that would justify a ban.

According to the department’s Web site, there are only a small number of other locations where remote-controlled hobby aircraft are allowed, including Flushing Meadows-Corona Park and Forest Park in Queens, and La Tourette Park on Staten Island.

Flying experts took pains on Friday to cast the accident as a fluke. The Academy of Model Aeronautics, the hobby’s governing body, said Mr. Pirozek’s death was only the second fatal episode involving remote-control helicopters in the United States in decades. In 2003, an instructor in Texas was killed after the blades from a student’s model struck him in the throat.

“It has an excellent safety record,” Richard Hanson, an official of the academy, said of the hobby. “This particular accident is very, very tragic but also very, very unusual.”

As a condition of membership in the academy, fliers must agree to adhere to a safety code, Mr. Hanson said. Craft operated by remote control are prohibited, for instance, from “flying directly over unprotected people, vessels, vehicles or structures.” Pilots may not fly model aircraft higher than 400 feet above ground level when within three miles of an airport, unless the airport operator is notified.

Mr. Hanson said Mr. Pirozek — a member of the academy since 2001, when he was a child — had learned from his father, an avid flier. The younger Mr. Pirozek had developed a reputation as “a very accomplished and competent helicopter pilot,” Mr. Hanson said.

According to Mr. Mascialino, a former president of the Radio Control Society of Marine Park, Mr. Pirozek had come to the club’s attention as a gifted flier, despite flying with a different club, the Seaview Rotary Wings.

Speaking to reporters on Friday, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said Mr. Pirozek “obviously was experienced” in flying.

“He was on YouTube, he was known for his ability to do it,” Mr. Kelly said. “It seemed to be, according to witnesses, some aggressive maneuvers, and it just came back.”

Though pilots said Friday that their hobby was already well-regulated, the death supplied an unwelcome reminder of its dangers.

In Marine Park — where a model runway is hemmed in by a wooded area, with sea gulls and, occasionally, full-size planes flying overhead — Andy Fomin, 48, revealed a scar from a gash that required 15 stitches, when he cut his hand five years ago on the propellers of his model plane. He also recalled “a few times when it was too close to me and I had to jump aside to avoid being hit.”

Rick Cabero, from Midwood, Brooklyn, who arrived with three foam planes, noted the occasional scourge of exploding batteries. While he said he did not believe that his passion was dangerous, he cautioned, “It’s not for kids, it’s not a toy.”

And yet for many fliers, the childlike thrill remains part of the appeal. Mr. Mascialino bemoaned that young people today “like to play with their phones, their video games.”

Model flight, he suggested, offered something more.

“Flying a helicopter or a plane is essentially playing a video game,” he said, “but in real life.”

Meeting Minutes – June 3rd, 2019

NOTE:  THESE MINUTES ARE PRELIMINARY AND WILL NOT BE FINAL UNTIL APPROVED, BY MEMBER VOTE, AT THE NEXT CLUB MEETING.  PLEASE NOTIFY THE CLUB SECRETARY JOHN RUSSCHER, VIA EMAIL (planeaddicted@gmail.com) OF ANY CORRECTIONS AND/OR ERRORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.


Meeting called to order:

  • 7:03pm by Dave Jamrog

Secretary’s Report:

  • Minutes from last meeting were posted on TCAF Web page for review. No edits or errors were brought up by email or at this meeting.
  • The March meeting minutes were approved by member vote.

Treasurer’s Report:

  • Treasurer Dave Ver Hoef reviewed the clubs account balance and expenditures. This information can be found in the member’s only area of the club webpage or by contacting Dave Ver Hoef.
  • Received money from combat entry fees and the first batch of combat kits sales.
  • The 2nd half of the 2019 field lease payment is coming up.
  • The treasures report was approved by member vote.

Safety Report/Field Maintenance:

  • Safety Officer George Keefe was not present but posted his first TCAF Safety Gram 001 on the web site and Facebook page.

Visitors:

  • none

Announcements:

  • Hot dog Night will be Wednesday the 5th at 6pm with Combat to follow at 6:30. The Taylor street property owners were invited but did not attend due to being very busy on the farm.

Old Business:

  • Scott is updating the Michigan forms per the request of the IRS. If you would like more details about this please contact any of the officers.
  • Taylor street site. No new updates at this time. The owners are very busy with farm related business.

New Business:

  • None

Events:

  • Next combat events is June 19th, July 1st, July 17th, July 31st at 6:30 with hot dogs being served before the event at 6pm.
  • For all planned events dates and times, please refer to the Club calendar on our Web and Face Book pages.

Comments and Questions:                                                                                  

  • Mowing schedule for Taylor Street will be set up once the field dries out and we can get back on it.

Next Meeting:

  • Monday, August 5th, 2019 at 7pm at the Club 146th Ave Field

Meeting Adjourned:

  • 7:39pm meeting adjourned.

Attendees:

  • Dave Jamrog, John Russcher, Scott Storteboom, Dave Ver Hoef, Mike Tharp, Justin Boetsma, Tom Heetderks, Larry Weller, Mike VanAanhold, Bill Porter, Bob Kovacs, Ray Weller, Kenny Ly, Steve Kastens, Jay Goeke, Ryan Storteboom, Lucas Russcher

 

TCAFSAFETY GRAM 001_2019

RC Plane Safety Tips

This entry was posted on 3 June by George Keefe TCAF Safety Officer

Original article March 9, 2018 by Gozarian.

The hobby has many things that we should do and just as many things that we should not do. After talking with some old hands, I’ve taken the time to come up with a comprehensive list of do’s and don’ts based on our collective experience.

This guide is based on common sense. We want you to think about what might go wrong and how to reduce the chance of it going wrong. Remember that guidelines are not rules are they are not set in stone. They are more about common sense and flying responsibly. RC flying is a great hobby and I think we all want to keep it that way, so it’s important to be responsible.

RC flying do’s

  • Keep away people at all times and this includes your new drone. Drones might be the shiny new kid on the block but they can cause permanent and debilitating injuries.
  • Fly what you’re capable of not what you like the look of. This means a trainer and whilst you might now be in love with the look that’s fine. It’s hardly going to be a forever plane and more importantly, you’re not going to be upset when you drive it a foot into the ground whilst you’re learning which way the sticks go.
  • Do your homework and find a club close by. They may have instructors that can teach you how to fly and in addition, they can offer you insurance. When you consider the potential risks, $50 a year for a policy is nothing. The devil is in the detail so be sure to understand the policy, excess and conditions etc.
  • Every country will have different laws covering the operation of model aircraft. Commonly known as remotely piloted vehicles and the definition is quite broad. This generally covers RC planes, helicopter, drones, rockets, balloons and everything in-between. If you join a club they have simplified the rules to help you understand the legalese.
  • If you cannot join a club because one does not exist or it’s a great distance away, be sure you select your flying site very carefully. Unlike the club environment where the public is generally not wandering around on the field, a park is full of dangers like, dogs, kids, people on bikes, rangers, birds, trees and all sorts of things that generally make for a very dangerous flying site. Whilst a seasoned flyer is acutely aware of the risks it may not be immediately obvious a new flyer.
  • If you’re going to fly in public check the rules and find out if you are required to hold an insurance policy and if so what type. If something goes wrong you’ll be glad you held a policy because if you hit someone then damages could easily run into 7 figures.
  • Even if you don’t want to join a club go alone to your local. Have a chat and see what those guys are like. You’ll find there are just like you and happy to help you get in the air. Try not to hold preconceived notions.
  • There is no need to be using anything other than 2.4ghz radio equipment these days. (Sure some other systems exist for long range however we can ignore that for now)
  • Don’t fly near houses, factories, buildings and never fly over people no matter the reason and keep as far away as possible.
  • Choose a large open area that is free from obstacles of any kind
  • Plan where you are going to fly and where you’re going to land prior to taking off. Take note of the wind because if it changes you may need to land from another direction. Ensure you have plenty of open space for flying.
  • It is essential that you check your aircraft thoroughly before you fly. Check screws, servos, hinges, battery and even a range check. It too late once you are in the air as you don’t get a do-over.
  • Be respectful and don’t be a pest. People hate noise so try not to make any because nothing will get you moved on faster than a noise complaint.
  • Time your flight and be acutely aware of the battery voltage. If you don’t you will likely find yourself in a very dangerous situation because the aircraft is going to come down on its terms. This can catch even the most experienced flyer and has caught me in the past.
  • If the worst happens the aircraft can be full throttle and lose complete control and this can end badly at a club let alone a public place.
  • Write your name and phone number somewhere on the inside of the aircraft because if you happen to lose it a good Samaritan may find it. Perhaps even offer a reward for returning a lost plane.
  • Fly only what you’re comfortable with and take your time. There is no rush and there are a lot of skills to acquire along the way. Not just flying but repairing.
  • Use common sense, keep it safe, sensible and responsible at all times.

RC flying don’ts

  • Don’t be a pest and annoy your neighbours, as your stay will be very short. They will know when you’re flying as they will be able to hear you and report you.
  • If you’re not allowed to fly there don’t do it. Fines are expensive and there might be reasons that you’ve not thought about. Close to airports, hospital helipads, flight paths any number of other reasons.
  • If it looks dangerous to fly there don’t. Avoid completely built-up areas, main roads, or anywhere where you fly into the public.
  • Trees, lighting posts, telegraph poles, communication equipment don’t mix with RC planes. I once flew in a park back in my early days of flight and I struck a telegraph pole straight on. The bird stopped completely midair and fell straight down destroying everything. I got away lightly on that occasion. It could have been much worse.
  • Stay away from animals and livestock. Your drone or plane just doesn’t need to annoy them or spook them. Animals are easily spooked and can run into fences injuring themselves.
  • Don’t fly over or close to animals, wild or domestic.
  • Don’t fly off into the distance as you’ll lose orientation. Stay within a good visual line of sight.
  • Don’t fly beyond visual line of sight for any reason. Yes, FPV is a thing and its here to stay but don’t fly beyond visual line of sight. That video feed coming into you your goggles can drop out at a moment’s notice.
  • Don’t fly into the sun as you’ll lose your orientation and crash your plane plus looking into the sun is just a plain dumb idea.
  • Don’t fly on windy days as it’s not comfortable. There is nothing pleasant about flying on a windy day and it’s highly likely that you’ll crash.

The guide above is really about common sense and doing the right thing. Taking a little time to think about the risks and weighing those up. Many of us might be familiar with the phrase risk and reward. Flying in a highly populated area in the wind would be considered high-risk, low reward. Put it away and fly another day.

 

Meeting Minutes – May 6, 2019

NOTE:  THESE MINUTES ARE PRELIMINARY AND WILL NOT BE FINAL UNTIL APPROVED, BY MEMBER VOTE, AT THE NEXT CLUB MEETING.  PLEASE NOTIFY THE CLUB SECRETARY JOHN RUSSCHER, VIA EMAIL (planeaddicted@gmail.com) OF ANY CORRECTIONS AND/OR ERRORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.


Meeting called to order:

  • 7:03pm by Dave Jamrog

Secretary’s Report:

  • Minutes from Aprils meeting were posted on TCAF Web page for review.
  • The April meeting minutes were approved by member vote.

Treasurer’s Report:

  • Treasurer Dave Ver Hoef reviewed the clubs account balance and expenditures. This information can be found in the member’s only area of the club webpage or by contacting Dave Ver Hoef.
  • The treasures report was approved by member vote.

Safety Report/Field Maintenance:

  • Safety Officer George Keefe talked about his plans to start a “lessons learned” monthly report.

Visitors:

  • none

Announcements:

  • none

Old Business:

  • 501c3 Update – We supplied more info twice and are now waiting on the final approval.

New Business:

  • Lawn Tractor: John Russcher and Justin Boetsma ran across a used Wheel Horse Garden Tractor. It has a kohler 12 hp motor, 42″ rear discharge deck, wheel weights, wheel chains and plow blade. They paid $300 and offered it to the club for that amount. A motion was made to purchase the tractor from John and Justin allowing 10 days for anybody not at the meeting to comment on this purchase.
  • New Field: 8427 Taylor Street. All communication with the land owners need to go through Dave, John and Scott.
  • We received permission to store a lawn mower at the Taylor street site.

Events:

  • Reminder that combat starts in a couple weeks on Wednesday May 22nd.

Comments and Questions:                                                                                  

  • none

Next Meeting:

  • Monday, June 3rd, 2019 at 7pm at the Club 146th Ave Field

Meeting Adjourned:

  • 7:52pm meeting adjourned.

Attendees:

Dave Jamrog, John Russcher, Scott Storteboom, Dave Ver Hoef, George Keefe, Mike Tharp, Justin Boetsma, Mike VanAanhold, Mike Rose, Allen Hatfield, Garrett VanDerDuim

Meeting Minutes – April 2019

NOTE:  THESE MINUTES ARE PRELIMINARY AND WILL NOT BE FINAL UNTIL APPROVED, BY MEMBER VOTE, AT THE NEXT CLUB MEETING.  PLEASE NOTIFY THE CLUB SECRETARY JOHN RUSSCHER, VIA EMAIL (planeaddicted@gmail.com) OF ANY CORRECTIONS AND/OR ERRORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.


Meeting called to order:

  • 7:01pm by Dave Jamrog

Secretary’s Report:

  • Minutes from last meeting were posted on TCAF Web page for review. No edits or errors were brought up by email or at this meeting.
  • The March meeting minutes were approved by member vote.

Treasurer’s Report:

  • Treasurer Dave Ver Hoef reviewed the clubs account balance and expenditures. This information can be found in the member’s only area of the club webpage or by contacting Dave Ver Hoef.
  • $80 was paid out to the AMA for insurance for the Taylor street flying site.
  • The treasures report was approved by member vote.

Safety Report/Field Maintenance:

  • Safety Officer George Keefe was not present.

Visitors:

  • Garrett Van Der Duim – Garrett was a member of TCAF in the past and is getting back into the hobby.

Announcements:

  • none

Old Business:

  • 501c3 – we got a request for more information about our application. Mike Tharp has responded with the requested information and hopefully we will have an approved application in the next few weeks.
  • Field Reminder – When using the current field you can unhook the strap across the driveway when you arrive and leave it unhooked while you are at the field. The last person to leave needs to reconnect the strap across the driveway.  Also, please stay on the driveway and off the grass when you arrive and leave.

New Business:

  • New Field: 8427 Taylor Street. The runway has been mowed and rolled and is ready for use. Several things were brought up about the Taylor street site as noted below.
  • There is a private airport/runway on the corner of 96th Ave and Taylor Street.
  • Who is going to mow; one person, rotation by members, pay a service? Much discussion was had including buying a lawn mower and setting up a mowing rotation by members.
  • If we are going to have a mower onsite then it needs to be stored in a safe place. Some kind of structure.  Several things were discussed including a shipping container or a small shed.
  • Grass length; the grass needs to be mowed shorter, 1 1/2” range. At our current field the grass is to long for smaller foam models and edf jets.
  • No trash cans. To keep the site as clean as possible please take home any trash.
  • Having two sites can lose some comradery if some members are at each site.
  • Transition plan should be worked on for moving from our current site to Taylor Street.
  • Taylor Street grass cleanup. When the field was mowed for the first time the grass was very long. There is a lot of grass clippings along the south edge of the field where the flight line will be. We need to organize a cleanup night to move the grass clippings to the north edge of the field. Also we should stake off the driveway and parking areas. Thursday, April 18th was selected as the date. If the weather is bad we will be reschedule it for the following week.
  • Mike VanAanhold had some TCAF logo stickers made and handed them out at the meeting. Dave VerHoef has the box of stickers and will make them available at the future club meetings. Thanks Mike!  – ADDED 4/23/19 by jr

Events:

  • For all planned events dates and times, please refer to the Club calendar on our Web and Face Book pages.

Comments and Questions:                                                                                  

  • none

Next Meeting:

  • Monday, May 6th, 2019 at 7pm at the Club 146th Ave Field

Meeting Adjourned:

  • 8:19pm meeting adjourned.

Attendees:

Dave Jamrog, John Russcher, Scott Storteboom, Dave Ver Hoef, Mike “Fluffy Waffle Buns” Tharp, Justin Boetsma, Tom Heetderks, Larry Weller, Dan Thomann, Mike VanAanhold, Mike Gronback, Mike Rose, Bill Porter

Meeting Minutes -March 2019

NOTE:  THESE MINUTES ARE PRELIMINARY AND WILL NOT BE FINAL UNTIL APPROVED, BY MEMBER VOTE, AT THE NEXT CLUB MEETING.  PLEASE NOTIFY THE CLUB SECRETARY JOHN RUSSCHER, VIA EMAIL (planeaddicted@gmail.com) OF ANY CORRECTIONS AND/OR ERRORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.


Meeting called to order:

  • 7:03PM by Dave Jamrog


Secretary’s Report:

  • Minutes from last meeting were posted on TCAF Web page for review. No edits or errors were brought up by email or at this meeting.
  • The October meeting minutes were approved by member vote.


Treasurer’s Report:

  • Treasurer Dave Ver Hoef reviewed the clubs account balance and expenditures. This information can be found in the member’s only area of the club webpage or by contacting Dave Ver Hoef.
  • The 2018 mowing was paid, first half of 2019 field rent, portable toilet was cleaned, PO Box rent and AMA charger was renewed.
  • The treasures report was approved by member vote.


Safety Report/Field Maintenance:

  • Safety Officer George Keefe was not present.


Visitors:

  • Dennis Delo


Announcements:


Old Business:

  • Current Field: Our current leave with Steve Klingenberg is good to the end of 2020. Steve plans on honoring the lease.
  • The rope at the entrance of the field is there to keep trespassers and the farmer of the land around our field out. You can unhook the rope to pass through and reconnect it when you leave. Please don’t forget to reconnect the rope when you leave.
  • Also, as the spring can be damp, PLEASE stay on the path and off the grass as you drive back to the field. If you are afraid of getting your vehicle dirty then that might not be the best day to fly.
  • If you are confronted by Steve please have your membership card handy to show him. If anything escalates please be courteous and contact one of the officers.
  • Mike Tharp filed our 501c3 and is waiting for a response. The Federal government shutdown has delayed their processing of these applications. UPDATE: on March 19th Mike was able to find out that our application has been assigned to a person. Depending on their workload it could take them up to a month to process our application.


New Business:

  • New Field: 8427 Taylor Street. There is an existing runway that had been used for flying model airplanes. We have a handshake agreement to get to know each other better and feel out the site for flying. The runway will be mowed and we will be able to fly on it this summer to test it out and see how we might have to improve it to our standards. The field is on the north side of the road and slightly north west of the small wooded area in the center of the property. This site is also home of Rust n Dust antique tracker show. For flyting there this summer on a test basis we were asked to fly during their Rust n Dust show.  We have talked about doing demo flights, combat and have guest fly our apprentice airplanes.


Events:

  • For all planned events dates and times, please refer to the Club calendar on our Web and Face Book pages.


Comments and Questions:                                                                                  


Next Meeting:

  • Monday, April 8th, 2019 at 7pm at Cobblestone Hobby in Holland.


Meeting Adjourned:

  • 8:01pm meeting adjourned.


Attendees:

  • Dave Jamrog, John Russcher, Scott Storteboom, Dave Ver Hoef, Lucas Russcher, Mike Tharp, Bob Kovacs, Ray Weller, Kenny Ly, Justin Boetsma, Steve Kastens